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Yes, Fight Back

There’s a lot of argument over whether people being attacked — especially women confronted with sexual assault — should fight their attackers.

Courtesy of The Straight Dope, here’s some data (emphasis mine):

  • A recent ten-year study of attacks on women (733 rapes, 1,278 sexual assaults, and 12,235 general assaults) found that on the one hand, resisting an attempted rape lowered the odds of the perp completing the act by nearly two-thirds. But on the other, it slightly increased the odds of injury and doubled the chance of serious injury.
  • A study of 3,206 assaults against women between 1992 and 1995 showed that women who fought back early in the attack were half as likely to be injured, and 75 percent of women queried reported that fighting back helped. An earlier study using data from the 70s found that women who resisted had less likelihood of being raped and 86 percent sustained no serious injury as a result — which, I suppose, means 14 percent did sustain serious injury.
  • Another ten-year study of victim response in 27,595 crimes (assault, sexual assault, robbery, larceny, and burglary) showed across the board that resisting resulted in less injury than not resisting. Similarly, studies have found that resisting reduces the likelihood of an attempted crime succeeding. For example, the chance of a would-be robber pulling it off drops somewhere between 20 and 48 percent.

…As to the “but you’re more likely to be injured!” argument that one can draw from these…yeah, you’ve gone from being a victim in an attack or rape, to being a party to a brawl.  Parties to brawls often get injured as a result.  But which would you rather be?

There’s another question this raises, for me anyway:  Is it more ethical not to fight back?  I have several friends and family members who are Quakers and the die-hard-pacifist types of Buddhist, so it’s a valid question.  My thoughts:

  • It makes sense to seek harmony with the Universe, and “yield to overcome” is awesome advice, because in harmony and nonaggression you are seeking to have the fewest possible opp0nents, which is the best way to have the fewest possible losses!  But that doesn’t mean that if someone makes you their opponent, you don’t treat them as such.
  • The point of kungfu as I study it is to cause as little harm as possible to be done, to everyone.  Your training is there to (for example) make it possible to break someone’s arm and run away, rather than having them rape or kill you.  My Sifu, a Shaolin Monk and one of the gentlest, kindest and most peaceful people I’ve ever met, says that he has never had to use his training to attack anyone, that defending has always been enough.  But he doesn’t go so far as to say that he wouldn’t attack someone, to prevent greater injury to himself or someone else (and I feel truly, truly badly for anybody that he *did* have to attack…OUCH).  Also, I believe him when he says that defense is often enough — if you’re attacking someone and they block you with a well-delivered, probably painful, move and return to a ready stance, that’s probably gonna talk you out of what you were thinking of doing, a good chunk of the time.
  • I would gladly have taken a beating rather than suffer the NotRape that I’ve experienced.  And so, I think, would everyone, if they knew the options.  Rape and its cousins are some of the worst things people can do to each other.
  • Lastly, the perpetrator pays for a crime in psychological suffering and karma, and often their punishment–even if it’s only “in their mind”–is worse than the victim’s, in the long run.  It’s no mercy to a person to let them go through with hurting someone else; and it is a mercy to prevent them, to at least give them another chance not to screw their life up that way.  (Apologies for the excessive use of the grammatically-incorrect “their” as a substitute for “him/her”…I’m just feeling lazy and neuter-gender.  ;)

More below, on protecting oneself, preventing assaults and kungfu.

I’m not studying kungfu so that I can fight, or protect myself.  I could do that before, and I’ve dissuaded numerous sexual assaults in my life with judicious use of pre-emptive attacks (hit ‘em before they expect you to, when they’re still “just talking”, and aim for something sensitive), weapons-at-hand (in a dark bar, order a bottled beer and don’t drink it — a full beer-bottle is damn handy), and most importantly, really loud verbal attacks.  In almost all cases, responding to anything over-the-line or sleazy with a high decibel “What the f*ck is your problem, a$$hole?!” tirade has been enough, and for that I’m grateful (and evangelical!).  But my experience when I was thirteen taught me that a little violence now can prevent a lot of violence later, and I’m a fan of preventing violence against everyone, including me.

Knowing how to fight off an attacker, especially of the common sexual-assault type,  is a LOT more about knowing how to size up your environment, how to use things and people that are around you, and how to make yourself psychologically unappealing (i.e. by being hostile or yelling) to a perpetrator.  Knowing how to deliver a punch, block one, etc. is useful, but by itself doesn’t do all that much for your odds.  Prevention and early dissuasion go a much longer way than a good snap-kick, IMO.

I’m not studying kungfu so that I can fight…  But would I use it to prevent myself or someone else from becoming a victim?

The answer is yes, except in case of a mugging.  Muggers are scared and often armed, and there’s an easy out — give them your stuff and let ‘em run.  (This is just urban wisdom, and while I don’t like that innocent people are often put in the “hand it over or get hurt” position, the truth is that nine times out of ten, you’ll be fine if you just hand it over, so yeah, that’s what I’d do…with the exception of my wedding ring.  That, I’d risk getting hurt over, because it’s a family heirloom.  And I don’t wear it if I’m going to a bad neighborhood, just for that reason.)

Anyway, enough babble.   I just wanted to have something here to answer the surprisingly common advice I hear, that women (and children, the elderly, etc.) should not fight attackers “so they don’t get hurt”.  People often give that advice, and then feel bad that they’ve just made you helpless, so they follow it with something like “you can protect yourself by not going to ‘dangerous places’ or ‘putting yourself in dangerous situations’”, which then leads all too easily into things like “well, why were you AT the bar, hmm?” and “good girls don’t do xyz”, all of which is victim-bashing and disgusting.  Women, children, and the elderly–and really everyone–should be safe and exercise common sense, but everyone needs to understand that that itself doesn’t mean you won’t get attacked in some way.  And if you do, be smart — don’t punch a guy with a gun — but also, speak up, and protect yourself.  Nothing makes me sadder than a victim who didn’t have to be, but for a little confidence.

7 comments

1 personne { 06.21.09 at 8:33 am }

It took me some time to realize what this “so they don’t get hurt” in the end means:
If you get injured, others will see it. And WE (not just you) have to deal with it.
If you don’t fight, you don’t get injured (physically) and nobody can SEE the crime. And if we can’t see a thing, everythings alright.

I am disguted. I don’t know what’s worse: That they don’t think* about what they are saying or that they actually believe it.

* Real thinking seems to be quiet seldom in most people.

2 Nick { 06.23.09 at 9:57 am }

Without a doubt, you should fight back. First, you may well prevent an attack and personal harm! Secondly, the attacker may lose his bottle- intimidation and control fuel many attacks, and without this, it might not seem such a good idea. Third, even if you cannot fend him off, at least you will know in your heart that you did everything and didn’t “let” it happen. We all know that the effects of any attack are still felt long after the physical wounds heal. In interviews of rape victims, the long term psychological effects were far less in those who were able to fight back.

It’s not the same (and I wouldn’t want to insult any rape victims by suggesting otherwise), but I was assaulted by a co-worker, who was black. I felt that if I had taken him out, that he would have made it a ‘race thing’- which means that the police would automatically side with him in their overzealous efforts to be ‘PC’. I ended up covering up and talking him down. I only had a bump on my lip and a sore neck, but I still feel gutted when I think about that fight. BTW, I have had dozens of fights and I don’t think about them much- even the ones where I lost.

If you want to learn to defend yourselves- no BS- then check out Krav Maga or Muay Thai. If you just want to pretend to defend yourself, then karate/ tai kwando or any 10 week self defence course will do. It will only give you false confidence.

Whatever method of self-protection you take, I hope you never need it. When you fight, you can’t win, even when you win.

3 puredoxyk { 06.24.09 at 5:59 pm }

My least favorite thing is martial arts that pretend to be about self-defense, but aren’t, and so end up failing both as self-defense mechanisms and for what they were originally designed for, which usually had a lot more to do with holistic mental/physical/spiritual development and awareness training — things that could be *useful* for self-defense, but not which existed for that purpose. I think people saw how incredibly good a kungfu or taiji master was at defending themselves, and concluded from there that that’s what martial arts was for. Like you say, there are things like Krav Maga — not what I’d call “martial arts” but rather just fighting systems — that will do a better job, by focusing on training you to fight, and ignoring the rest.

Personally, I have no desire to “learn to fight”. I don’t do it regularly and don’t plan to. And the things that can tip a dangerous situation in the favor of the would-be victim, like the ability to spot potentially-violent people, handle them psychologically, deliver a few nasty blows when needed, and keep your escape routes open, I already know how to do. I do think that everyone, especially every woman, should know those things, though; and most importantly should be encouraged to fight back rather than submit to violence. In spite of how obvious that part may seem to you and I, I think we have a long way to go as a culture before we get to where it’s a given.

Thanks for the comments!

4 Nick { 06.25.09 at 6:11 am }

I think learning to defuse situations, pre-empt them and having the ability to run 1/2 a mile very fast would be a VERY effective non-violent strategy.

All bar a couple of the fights I’ve had, I could have dealt with using the above.

5 elai { 06.25.09 at 11:15 pm }

Don’t apologize for the him/her/their thing & another ‘non-PC’ things! Has anyone, anyone in your life ever cared or said ANYTHING about it to you other than as a topic of converstation? Has anyone ever commented or emailed you about it? I’m guessing probably not.

6 puredoxyk { 06.27.09 at 10:21 am }

Er…yes, actually, and I’m not trying to be contrarian (though I fully understand if that’s a suspicious claim coming from me). I grew up in the Midwest, and I’m used to communicating with people for whom grammar is barely a subject, and the only possible purpose for doing anything nonstandard is to annoy them. I am glad that the ‘Net is more forgiving and open-minded, and that within this format I’m free to even be *creative* about what I say and how I say it…but no, it’s definitely not a given for me that doing so won’t piss anybody off. ;)

On the flipside, you’re definitely right that one shouldn’t apologize, especially if you’re close enough to the line that what you’re doing can be excused as “creative”. In that case, one definitely ought to do away with the disclaimers and just go for it, and that’s something I rather suck at, so I appreciate the reminder/encouragement. Thanks!

7 puredoxyk { 06.27.09 at 10:22 am }

BRILLIANT. You’re the next Gandhi in disguise. Let’s write the thinnest self-defense manual in history! ;)