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		<title>By: puredoxyk</title>
		<link>http://www.puredoxyk.com/index.php/2009/07/24/uberman-too-wussy-for-you-try-tesla/comment-page-1/#comment-39268</link>
		<dc:creator>puredoxyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for jumping in, Sharif!  It&#039;s great to have your input.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for jumping in, Sharif!  It&#8217;s great to have your input.  ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Sharif Olorin</title>
		<link>http://www.puredoxyk.com/index.php/2009/07/24/uberman-too-wussy-for-you-try-tesla/comment-page-1/#comment-39251</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharif Olorin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PD: regarding need for sleep in teens, what you said is contrary to my experience, but you&#039;re the expert. :)

My &#039;everyone&#039; was hyperbole - but everyone I know who has tried it significantly oversleeps at least once during adaption. If you didn&#039;t, then I think you&#039;re more hardcore than the rest of us put together. :)

I completely agree with the rest. Don&#039;t do it unless you need to. Regarding medical supervision though, I doubt any doctor would agree to it. I&#039;ve told a few doctors of my sleep pattern; some don&#039;t believe me, others say it&#039;s doomed to failure and the rest want to hospitalize me. 

Good luck. :)

Sharif</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PD: regarding need for sleep in teens, what you said is contrary to my experience, but you&#8217;re the expert. :)</p>
<p>My &#8216;everyone&#8217; was hyperbole &#8211; but everyone I know who has tried it significantly oversleeps at least once during adaption. If you didn&#8217;t, then I think you&#8217;re more hardcore than the rest of us put together. :)</p>
<p>I completely agree with the rest. Don&#8217;t do it unless you need to. Regarding medical supervision though, I doubt any doctor would agree to it. I&#8217;ve told a few doctors of my sleep pattern; some don&#8217;t believe me, others say it&#8217;s doomed to failure and the rest want to hospitalize me. </p>
<p>Good luck. :)</p>
<p>Sharif</p>
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		<title>By: puredoxyk</title>
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		<dc:creator>puredoxyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharif, Nobody:  A few comments.  First, &quot;everybody&quot; certainly does not fail at Uberman the first time, and failing should be taken seriously -- a failed attempt necessitates a long rest-period to get on a stable schedule before trying again.  Attempts wreak havoc on your body (and sometimes mind) and need to be spaced out, and carefully prepared-for to minimize the risk of failing.

It&#039;s not true that older teenagers need more sleep than younger ones.  The medical recommendation is 8-10 hours for everyone under 18, and individuals differ, so you may need more or less than the average.  Also, I&#039;m sure you know this but I have to say it anyway:  Polyphasic, or any restrictive, sleep schedules, as well as restrictive diets and other experimental lifestyles that may cause physical or mental damage are NOT RECOMMENDED for those who are still experiencing lots of physical growth.  You can screw up your growth pattern, and there&#039;s no fixing that once you do, so it&#039;s not worth it just for the &quot;cool&quot; of doing Uberman (or whatever) now rather than later.  Because of the scientific fact that you only get one shot and physical and mental growth, and that good growth takes lots of sleep and food, I&#039;m 100% against people under 18 messing with polyphasic sleep, diets, fasting, or any of that, without taking the possible consequences very seriously.  If there&#039;s a problem that needs addressing, such as an inability to sleep normally, then by all means consider a polyphasic schedule as a possible solution...WITH medical supervision, AFTER all the more obvious things (like diet, caffeine, stress, depression, light &amp; sound stimulus, etc.) have been looked at and corrected.

There, it&#039;s my blog and I&#039;ve officially given my opinion; do with it as thou wilt, and good luck to you both!

PD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharif, Nobody:  A few comments.  First, &#8220;everybody&#8221; certainly does not fail at Uberman the first time, and failing should be taken seriously &#8212; a failed attempt necessitates a long rest-period to get on a stable schedule before trying again.  Attempts wreak havoc on your body (and sometimes mind) and need to be spaced out, and carefully prepared-for to minimize the risk of failing.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not true that older teenagers need more sleep than younger ones.  The medical recommendation is 8-10 hours for everyone under 18, and individuals differ, so you may need more or less than the average.  Also, I&#8217;m sure you know this but I have to say it anyway:  Polyphasic, or any restrictive, sleep schedules, as well as restrictive diets and other experimental lifestyles that may cause physical or mental damage are NOT RECOMMENDED for those who are still experiencing lots of physical growth.  You can screw up your growth pattern, and there&#8217;s no fixing that once you do, so it&#8217;s not worth it just for the &#8220;cool&#8221; of doing Uberman (or whatever) now rather than later.  Because of the scientific fact that you only get one shot and physical and mental growth, and that good growth takes lots of sleep and food, I&#8217;m 100% against people under 18 messing with polyphasic sleep, diets, fasting, or any of that, without taking the possible consequences very seriously.  If there&#8217;s a problem that needs addressing, such as an inability to sleep normally, then by all means consider a polyphasic schedule as a possible solution&#8230;WITH medical supervision, AFTER all the more obvious things (like diet, caffeine, stress, depression, light &amp; sound stimulus, etc.) have been looked at and corrected.</p>
<p>There, it&#8217;s my blog and I&#8217;ve officially given my opinion; do with it as thou wilt, and good luck to you both!</p>
<p>PD</p>
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		<title>By: Sharif Olorin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharif Olorin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody:

Nice. :) That was exactly how I started.

First: obligatory disclaimer, no studies done, might inhibit growth, might kill you, et cetera, et cetera. That said, I was your age when I first tried Uberman, and only a little older when I first successfully adapted, and at 16 I&#039;m not dead yet, so. 

That said, physically you would need more sleep than me, as I&#039;m two years older - how much more is variable. It&#039;s possible that Tesla physically just isn&#039;t enough sleep. Anecdotal evidence yes, but having adapted to Uberman at 15 I&#039;d say you have a decent chance of success there.
My advice: try Uberman first. It&#039;s easier, everyone fails at polyphasic the first time, and it will get you used to the type of pattern that polyphasic involves. If I&#039;d tried Tesla without having adapted to Uberman previously I would have failed and failed hard. Besides, Uberman is plenty hardcore. 

Sharif</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody:</p>
<p>Nice. :) That was exactly how I started.</p>
<p>First: obligatory disclaimer, no studies done, might inhibit growth, might kill you, et cetera, et cetera. That said, I was your age when I first tried Uberman, and only a little older when I first successfully adapted, and at 16 I&#8217;m not dead yet, so. </p>
<p>That said, physically you would need more sleep than me, as I&#8217;m two years older &#8211; how much more is variable. It&#8217;s possible that Tesla physically just isn&#8217;t enough sleep. Anecdotal evidence yes, but having adapted to Uberman at 15 I&#8217;d say you have a decent chance of success there.<br />
My advice: try Uberman first. It&#8217;s easier, everyone fails at polyphasic the first time, and it will get you used to the type of pattern that polyphasic involves. If I&#8217;d tried Tesla without having adapted to Uberman previously I would have failed and failed hard. Besides, Uberman is plenty hardcore. </p>
<p>Sharif</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just turned 14. I&#039;m crazy. Sleep is for losers. I haven&#039;t slept for a while and thus my mind drifts to (a) rectifying this nasty sleepiness, while (b) not succumbing to that wretched monophasic sleep. It stands to reason that I&#039;m going to kill myself with one of these things, but if I can last a little longer and be more coherent than on the &quot;just, like, don&#039;t sleep... until you can&#039;t not, man&quot; schedule, all the better. The only question is, am I hardcore enough for Tesla, or am I merely a lowly Uberman? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just turned 14. I&#8217;m crazy. Sleep is for losers. I haven&#8217;t slept for a while and thus my mind drifts to (a) rectifying this nasty sleepiness, while (b) not succumbing to that wretched monophasic sleep. It stands to reason that I&#8217;m going to kill myself with one of these things, but if I can last a little longer and be more coherent than on the &#8220;just, like, don&#8217;t sleep&#8230; until you can&#8217;t not, man&#8221; schedule, all the better. The only question is, am I hardcore enough for Tesla, or am I merely a lowly Uberman? :)</p>
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		<title>By: Sharif Olorin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharif Olorin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mattiew:

Good to hear. :) More information is coming - I plan to keep updating my blog as long as I&#039;m polyphasing; there&#039;s also a good chance that there&#039;ll be a new adaption blog from my friend Daniel, who&#039;s currently on Uberman, at http://morpheus.tesser.org . 

In answer to your question, for me it took about ten days from &#039;hey, it would be cool to try this&#039; to &#039;okay, feeling less crap now&#039;. The second successful adapter was faster - he started on Dymaxion (which took about a week), and moved to Tesla in a matter of days. 

If there&#039;s anything in particular you want me to write about, just say so. ^^

Good luck - if you decide to try it, I think it will be easier for having adapted to Uberman first. 

Sharif</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mattiew:</p>
<p>Good to hear. :) More information is coming &#8211; I plan to keep updating my blog as long as I&#8217;m polyphasing; there&#8217;s also a good chance that there&#8217;ll be a new adaption blog from my friend Daniel, who&#8217;s currently on Uberman, at <a href="http://morpheus.tesser.org" rel="nofollow">http://morpheus.tesser.org</a> . </p>
<p>In answer to your question, for me it took about ten days from &#8216;hey, it would be cool to try this&#8217; to &#8216;okay, feeling less crap now&#8217;. The second successful adapter was faster &#8211; he started on Dymaxion (which took about a week), and moved to Tesla in a matter of days. </p>
<p>If there&#8217;s anything in particular you want me to write about, just say so. ^^</p>
<p>Good luck &#8211; if you decide to try it, I think it will be easier for having adapted to Uberman first. </p>
<p>Sharif</p>
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		<title>By: puredoxyk</title>
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		<dc:creator>puredoxyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 10:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, Tesla is so new that I&#039;m not sure any information you got would be worth hanging your hat on...with only two people doing it, it&#039;s likely that your experience would be different than theirs anyway, especially when it came to the specifics of which day was worst to adjust to.    Then again, if you&#039;ve already done Uberman, you know you can do something this hard, so why not just try it and tell us what you find out?  Information from new adherents of Tesla is going to be really useful to people for a while, I think.

Thanks!  -PD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, Tesla is so new that I&#8217;m not sure any information you got would be worth hanging your hat on&#8230;with only two people doing it, it&#8217;s likely that your experience would be different than theirs anyway, especially when it came to the specifics of which day was worst to adjust to.    Then again, if you&#8217;ve already done Uberman, you know you can do something this hard, so why not just try it and tell us what you find out?  Information from new adherents of Tesla is going to be really useful to people for a while, I think.</p>
<p>Thanks!  -PD</p>
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		<title>By: Mattiew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mattiew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 02:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want more information !!! How long does it take before the worst part of adaptation end ?? day 4 was the worst for me under uberman..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want more information !!! How long does it take before the worst part of adaptation end ?? day 4 was the worst for me under uberman..</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharif- I know what you mean.  I had to drop Uberman when I got a   job.

PD- I do agree.  It was wrong of me to say that it&#039;s not workable.  I don&#039;t like people who say things can&#039;t be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharif- I know what you mean.  I had to drop Uberman when I got a   job.</p>
<p>PD- I do agree.  It was wrong of me to say that it&#8217;s not workable.  I don&#8217;t like people who say things can&#8217;t be done.</p>
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		<title>By: puredoxyk</title>
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		<dc:creator>puredoxyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 14:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharif:  Necessity is the mother of much craziness, innit?  I guess I can&#039;t help but take my share of the blame there.  ;)

Keep us posted -- for SCIENCE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharif:  Necessity is the mother of much craziness, innit?  I guess I can&#8217;t help but take my share of the blame there.  ;)</p>
<p>Keep us posted &#8212; for SCIENCE!</p>
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